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At 5:42pm on February 28, 2010, Patrick said…: Donald said "Well, Pat I would have to disagree with you"

How so? If you do not have a spirit you are not alive. Do you agree?
Before you (they) are filled with the Holy Spirit the were spiritually not alive.

Christ says that we must be born from above. What do you think this means.
He makes a point that this is not physical death but spiritual.

We are "born from above" when we receive the Holy Spirit who is from above.
Before we are born from above, we are not "born" yet. we are not alive yet.
We are spiritually unalive.

With what do you disagree?

At 11:31am on February 27, 2010, Donald said…: Well, Pat I would have to disagree with you. Did you read the link I gave you?

At 4:08pm on February 26, 2010, Patrick said…: Spiritual death - yes.

I believe that being filled with the Holy Spirit is the same as being born again is the same as being spiritually saved.

Before you are filled with the Holy Spirit, you are "spiritually dead" because you have not yet been given the Spirit of Life.

Make sense?

At 12:43pm on February 26, 2010, Donald said…: Hello Patrick,

Do you believe in "spiritual death"? You might want to check this out in http://fulfilledtheology.ning.com/forum/topics/does-the-bible-teach-the

Donald

At 3:52pm on February 23, 2010, Donald said…: Hello Patick,

I just add group discussion about your site. If you want to comment about it, feel free.

Donald created this Ning Network.

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