The Chosen People - Fulfilled Theology - Preterist2024-03-29T13:10:01Zhttp://fulfilledtheology.ning.com/forum/topics/the-chosen-race?commentId=5096844%3AComment%3A6234&feed=yes&xn_auth=noHi Timothy,
I've read CI an…tag:fulfilledtheology.ning.com,2012-05-21:5096844:Comment:60512012-05-21T15:39:00.358ZDonaldhttp://fulfilledtheology.ning.com/profile/Donald
<p>Hi Timothy,</p>
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<p>I've read CI and BI's view about Adam as the "white race" and only true Israel but I am not convinced. However, they did great job showing who were these people and the salvation was for the descendants of Abraham/12 tribes of Israel. Yes, you are correct there is no "church" after 70 AD when the saints were raised and caught away to be with their Messiah/Kinsman (Matt. 19:28; Rom. 9:3-5; 11:25-27; 1 Thes. 4:13-18).</p>
<p>Hi Timothy,</p>
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<p>I've read CI and BI's view about Adam as the "white race" and only true Israel but I am not convinced. However, they did great job showing who were these people and the salvation was for the descendants of Abraham/12 tribes of Israel. Yes, you are correct there is no "church" after 70 AD when the saints were raised and caught away to be with their Messiah/Kinsman (Matt. 19:28; Rom. 9:3-5; 11:25-27; 1 Thes. 4:13-18).</p> Hi Donald,
I read your openin…tag:fulfilledtheology.ning.com,2012-05-21:5096844:Comment:62342012-05-21T06:14:29.684Ztimothy Wallacehttp://fulfilledtheology.ning.com/profile/timothyWallace
<p>Hi Donald,</p>
<p>I read your opening comments and i would like your opinion on Christian Identity or the British Israel’s view about Adam as the "white race" and only true Israel..I do find the history of the lost 12 tribes very interesting and i do believe that many nations came from them.. Europe,Ukraine,some say brittian,Ireland,Serbia,Gauls,Celtics,synthians etc....Would this not prove that the 12 tribes or at least mostly where white? They would have to be the scattered 12…</p>
<p>Hi Donald,</p>
<p>I read your opening comments and i would like your opinion on Christian Identity or the British Israel’s view about Adam as the "white race" and only true Israel..I do find the history of the lost 12 tribes very interesting and i do believe that many nations came from them.. Europe,Ukraine,some say brittian,Ireland,Serbia,Gauls,Celtics,synthians etc....Would this not prove that the 12 tribes or at least mostly where white? They would have to be the scattered 12 tribes=Israel....Through logical reasoning it seems that this belief could be true and has alot of validity...The gospel did go out to the whole Roman world.....The scattered 12 tribes were mainly in Asia Minor and Europe where the gospel was preached.....Acts 2- every Jew=Israelite under heaven....Their is a whole history from Afghanistan to Indian about huge communities that consider themselves to be Aryan....Who is Israel now and is their such a thing called the church made up of Aryan people or any others? Is there a church any more? According to what i am reading it seems their is no church or anything after 70 Ad...</p>
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<p>Thank you</p>
<p>Timothy Wallace</p> From Rivers':
1. There is n…tag:fulfilledtheology.ning.com,2012-01-30:5096844:Comment:58122012-01-30T05:46:21.319ZDonaldhttp://fulfilledtheology.ning.com/profile/Donald
<p>From Rivers':</p>
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<p>1. There is no biblical evidence that any of God's covenants and promises were ever inteneded for anyone other than "the Israelites accoding to the flesh" (Romans 9:3-5). The term "gentiles" (nations) comes from the original covenant promise where God said that "the descendants" of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob would a "multitude of gentiles" (Genesis 17:5-8; Genesis 35:10-11) and a "fullness of gentiles" (Genesis 48:19-20; Romans 11:25-26).</p>
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<p>2. The…</p>
<p>From Rivers':</p>
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<p>1. There is no biblical evidence that any of God's covenants and promises were ever inteneded for anyone other than "the Israelites accoding to the flesh" (Romans 9:3-5). The term "gentiles" (nations) comes from the original covenant promise where God said that "the descendants" of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob would a "multitude of gentiles" (Genesis 17:5-8; Genesis 35:10-11) and a "fullness of gentiles" (Genesis 48:19-20; Romans 11:25-26).</p>
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<p>2. The reconciliation was limited to the Israelites for many reasons. In fact, Paul explained to the Romans in great detail that BOTH the "circumcised" and the "uncircumcised" converts were "the descendants" (Romans 4:1-18) who had "Abraham as forefather according to the flesh" (Romans 4:1). Paul even spedifically defined "the whole world" as limited to those who were "under the Law" (Romans 3:19-20) just as he limited "redemption" and "adoption" to those who were "under the Law" (Galatians 4:4-5).</p>
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<p>Please take some time to read through Romans 4 and follow the words "father" and "descendants" and you will see that it is applied to the "uncircumcised" (faith) converts as well as the Jews (circumcised). This is because Paul understood that the uncircumcised "gentiles" were the other part of the physical descendants of Abraham who were predestined to glory (Genesis 12:1-3). Romans 4:1-18 is a commentary on Abrahamic covenant and is the key to understanding all of Pauline theology.</p> We need to keep in mind that…tag:fulfilledtheology.ning.com,2012-01-04:5096844:Comment:49182012-01-04T16:18:38.225ZDonaldhttp://fulfilledtheology.ning.com/profile/Donald
<p>We need to keep in mind that the Bible is speaking of the generations of Adam (Gen. 5:1), Noah (Gen. 6:9), Shem (Gen. 11:10), Terah (Gen. 11:27), Isaac (Gen. 25:10), and finally Jacob (Gen. 37:2). It says a little bit about the generations of Cain (Gen. 4:17-23), Ham and Japheth (Gen. 10:1-20), Ishmael (Gen. 25:12), and Esau (Gen. 36:1) but they were not part of God’s plan of redemption as well for non-Adamites/non-Israelites.</p>
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<p>Would it be possible for Adam to have all the…</p>
<p>We need to keep in mind that the Bible is speaking of the generations of Adam (Gen. 5:1), Noah (Gen. 6:9), Shem (Gen. 11:10), Terah (Gen. 11:27), Isaac (Gen. 25:10), and finally Jacob (Gen. 37:2). It says a little bit about the generations of Cain (Gen. 4:17-23), Ham and Japheth (Gen. 10:1-20), Ishmael (Gen. 25:12), and Esau (Gen. 36:1) but they were not part of God’s plan of redemption as well for non-Adamites/non-Israelites.</p>
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<p>Would it be possible for Adam to have all the genetic information of all the races (Caucasian, Negroid, Mongoloid, and so forth) and then, by the process of “natural selection” through environmental changes which act upon the already present genetic codes, produce all the distinct races after the flood of Noah (worldwide or local)? To answer this question, we must begin with Scripture.</p>
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<p>The Bible never said that God created Adam with all the genetic information, or that all the races came originally from him. Those who hold all mankind came from Adam or the sons of Noah do not offer any direct or indirect biblical proof that this scenario is true. It is an unbiblical assumption.</p>
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<p>What about during the Tower of Babel, would God have left out the recording of this miraculous event of racial diversification?</p>
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<p>The Bible is not about all people of all racial kinds and mixtures but about the Adamic race. As I said before, this is evidenced beginning with Genesis 5:1 which states: This is the book of the generations of Adam. The immediate context of this verse is the book of Genesis and the Pentateuch, it must also encompass the whole Bible (both Old and New Testaments) since it traces the account of the family line of Adam to Israel and to Jesus Christ.</p>
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<p>The word translated “nations” (Hebrew—goy; Greek—ethnos) is first used in Genesis 10:5 to describe the descendants of Japheth, one of Noah’s sons, in their families:</p>
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<p>"From these the coast lands of the <strong>nations</strong> were separated into their lands, every one according to his language, according to <strong>their families in their nations</strong>."</p>
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<p>These nations were made up of the families of Japheth, separated by land and language. The same term “nations” also applied to Ham (Gen. 10:20) and Shem (Gen. 10:31).</p>
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<p>The last verse in chapter ten then sums up the true identification of the nations of the Bible (Gen. 10:32). However we don’t know much history about the descendants of Japheth and Ham.</p>
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<p>These nations were derived from the sons of Noah and were of the Adamic race. A few generations later, Abraham’s ancestors derived from Noah’s oldest son, Shem. Abraham was the father of the Hebrews (Ex. 3:15-16, 18).</p>
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<p>There is another description of “nations” that also applies to the descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the fathers of the twelve tribes of Israel. God promised to make of Abraham and Sarah many nations:</p>
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<p>"As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, and you shall be <strong>the father of a multitude of nations</strong>. . ." (Gen. 17:4).</p>
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<p>Then God said to Abraham, “As to Sarai your wife, you shall not call her name Sarai, but Sarah . . . and she shall be <strong>a mother of nations</strong>. . .” (Gen. 17:15-16).</p>
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<p>Abraham and Sarah were to be the progenitors of many nations. This promise was a covenant that God made with Abraham and was passed on to Isaac (Gen. 26:3-4) and Jacob (Gen. 35:9-11).</p>
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<p>The word “Jews” (Judahites/Judeans) did not exist until after the division of the kingdoms of Israel after the death of Solomon (2 Kings 16:6). The house of Israel was divorced (Jer. 3:8) and they became like the nations (Hos. 8:8) but the house of Judah were still covenanted with God until Jesus’ generation. Those who believed in Jesus, received blessing in heaven while the rest who rejected him, they died in their sin (Rom. 9:22-24). Therefore, the new covenant was for both houses of Israel (Jer. 31:31-34; Heb. 8:8-13), not for non-Israelites/”Gentiles”.</p>
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<p>Did all races come from Adam? The answer to the question is, No. The races of today did not, and could not, have come from Adam or an original set of parents. All races, including the Adamic race, were created separately for the purpose for which God created them (Deut. 32:7-9; 1 Peter 2:9).</p>